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and the world is stupid enough to repeat the endless cycle of violence.
It is up to us to decide if "never again" is a universal rule or "oh, but this time it is different".
https://youtu.be/Ejd2rsXoQSI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22W%22_Hour?useskin=vector
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Also, if you ever have a chance then head to Warsaw Rising Museum:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Rising_Museum?useskin=v...
Muzeum Powstania Warszawskiego [1] indeed makes an exceptional work of walking people through the dramatic story of the Warsaw Uprising.
[1] https://www.1944.pl/en
The aftermath [1] was that ~220k Poles died and out of that 150-200k civilians, often with mass execution - later on a lot of warsaw population was sometimes bitter toward the uprising’s leadership.
To put it in context: within 2 months 200k people died, similar number like in Hiroshima but almost nobody wordwide know about warsaw uprising.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Uprising#Aftermath
For those who don't know, the Uprising was a planned resistance action to expel the Nazis from Warsaw.
Supposedly it was planned in collaboration with the Russians. But the Russian army stood down while the resistance fought alone for two months.
This allowed the Germans to regroup, fight back, and eventually to destroy the city, and most of the resistance itself.
The whole point of the uprising was to liberate Warsaw before the Russians get in, as everybody knew that Russians are not liberating Poland - they are looking to occupy the country, just as Germany did. If the Uprising was successfull, it would give a great credit and negotiating card to the Polish government.
Unfortunately, Russians knew that too - that's exactly why they stopped their advance and watched the city being razed to the ground. Also unfortunately, they were right and ended up occupying Poland for the next 45 years.
Many argue this uprising is nothing to be proud of and the crime of the leadership with devastating results: ~200k civilians went with this bang, and city completely wiped out.
Spreading this knowledge is now illegal in Putin's Russia. [1]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Against_Rehabilitation_of_...
What is fact is that Hitler and Stalin were military allies to start WWII. This is documented history.
Would you agree with my latter statement?
nobody cared about the poles
> The citizens of Poland have the highest count of individuals who have been recognized by Yad Vashem as the Polish Righteous Among the Nations, for saving Jews from extermination during the Holocaust in World War II. There are 7,232 (as of 1 January 2022) Polish men and women conferred with the honor, over a quarter of the 28,486 recognized by Yad Vashem in total. The list of Righteous Among the Nations is not comprehensive and it is estimated that hundreds of thousands of Poles concealed and aided tens of thousands of their Polish-Jewish neighbors. Many of these initiatives were carried out by individuals, but there also existed organized networks of Polish resistance which were dedicated to aiding Jews – most notably, the Żegota organization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Righteous_Among_the_Nat...
As a Pole, I am pissed af about the fact that this true story of WWII is not known. In fact, very often the Russian version of "pravda" is what has been spread.
Why tf is there no Oscar winning movie about this story?
Poland is invaded from both sides, saves the most lives of our fellow Jewish brothers and sisters: the most heroic story, and the movie count is zero.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold_Pilecki
This is now politely referred to as a Soviet betrayal in service of "Stalin's post-war political goals for Poland".
My own city was liberated by Polish troops. After WW2 they obviously couldn't go back to Poland. A lot of them ended up in relative poverty after the war.
At least Canadians and Australians went back home and got a parade.
Polish were basically "anyone there" no records necessary.
A lot of people don't know that although what the Nazis did was obviously terrible it was nothing compared to what they wanted to do.
Poland survived 60 years of communism. It would not have survived national socialism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost#Poland
https://www.bundestag.de/dokumente/textarchiv/2022/kw39-de-p...
https://www.vaticannews.va/de/kirche/news/2022-10/deutschlan...
Please educate yourself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Uprising
Maybe you've been confused by some of the resistance fighters wearing German helmets?
The Germans crushed the uprising because the Soviets conveniently stopped their advance, giving the Germans time to focus on the Polish resistance, which was convenient for the Soviets because it eliminated a potential "problem" for the Soviet occupation of Poland after WW2.
Where did you get that from?
To use the very example the grandparent comment gave as contrast, the advancing Russian army did not have a policy of making Berlin entirely uninhabitable - and if it did it was stopped through diplomatic means at the end of the war.
> The idea that the allies restrained themselves to win the war is best underwood by considering Hiroshima or Dresden than whatever we can divine from the remaining pre war architecture in berlin.
Yes, interestingly you bring up the worst of the worst bombing campaigns of the allies, Hiroshima and Dresden, which were specifically not carried out as extermination campaigns against an entire peoples, rather the destruction of a city thanks to a misguided doctrine that declared aerial bombing would demoralize populations, still unsuccessfully in use today (spoiler: it does not demoralize, it radicalizes).
Maybe it’s best to compare Japan’s actions in China to Israel’s current actions in Gaza?
> My point was that looking at what was happening. In berlin (or Hiroshima or Dresden) in 1945 without considering that those countries had done immediately prior is dumb.
What did China do to deserve its rape and pillage at the hand of Japan?
I think your idea if I follow correctly that Israel's campaign in Gaza is to demoralize the Gazans (vs kick back, Hammas, get the hostages back, etc.) but at the same time that it's irrational for them to do it because of what you said re radicalization?
The IDF is occupying the strip, much more akin to the occupation of nations on the Eastern front, or Japan among the islands of SEA and Oceania, if we’re continuing comparisons to WW2. Those occupations were about resources, Lebensraum, and affirming racial superiority.
What makes you think you're in a position to qualify the morality of the deaths of my not-so-distant relatives at the hands of Nazi invaders?
I think you should really investigate your sources of information as this is approaching an alternative reality.
Israel nowadays is mostly non-Ashkenazi in any case, and is mostly composed of Jews ethnically cleansed from Arab countries following the 1948 war
There's a widespread antisemitic conspiracy theory which links Ashkenazi to Khazars, but except being historically unsound, it echoes very ancient antisemitic (racist) tropes such as British Israelism, which are christian ideas claiming Jews are imposters to their own religion/nationality