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KaiserPro 3 days ago [-]
I really like the layout and style of the site. I never had a mac growing up so its not a nostalgia thing, I just appreciate the compactness with contrast
The art is also very good. Its hard to get that level of "colour" with limited resolution
walrus01 3 days ago [-]
The portrait mode black and white layout of this is similar to the high resolution black and white displays which were in use with some more expensive Mac based "desktop publishing" setups in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
This was before anyone could reasonably afford a 20" full color monitor, and it also would have been too expensive or I/O intensive on the video expansion card to be capable of driving a 1280x1024+ monitor at 256 colors or better. I think also something related to being a crisper image with early 1990s tech level of CRT monitor re: dot pitch if the image was entirely black and white?
The "dot pitch" is a measure distance between two "reds" of the dots in the shadow mask or the width between two reds on an aperture grille (which is really only horizontal dot pitch). Since black and white monitors don't have either, they can get much much sharper because that layer just doesn't exist. It's limited only by the focus of the beam and bandwidth/ frequency of the signal.
(As my layman understanding goes that is)
Monochrome CRTs are delicious to look at. A feast for the eyes. I love them. Compact Macs are often the cheapest way to get them, especially for their wonderful paper white phosphor, though I'm a sucker for amber phosphor.
walrus01 2 days ago [-]
That is indeed something I had forgotten, having not had to think about CRTs in detail for a long time... Here's something from 2001 when CRTs were still in common use also with details on the differences between shadow mask vs. aperture grill CRTs.
Crispiness has a lot to do with DAC quality. That’s why Matrox display adapters were so popular in the nineties. Crispy, high quality DAC.
noisy_boy 2 days ago [-]
Hokusai's work is amazing prima facie. But then when you download the archive.org pdf files (see links in comment from @abetusk) and start to zoom in, the mastery of the strokes just blows your mind. The skill is ridiculous. The stylization, the capturing of the essence of a bird turning its neck by basically the minimum possible strokes while maintaining the feel of dynamism and suspended motion, it is just too much. Nothing makes me more emotional and romantically sentimental of beautiful japan from an era, which in my logical head, I know had lots of hardships and difficult life. He still manages to put that aside by the sheer power of the infusion of tranquillity in his paintings. It makes me long for a time and place which I would never see and probably was a lot harsher than I can see through the mind of his brushstrokes.
Hokusai has long been my favourite artist but I still keep finding more nuances in his work. He lived an 88-year long life dedicated to art. What an unbelievable genius master of a bygone era.
One of the most joyful things I’ve seen on YouTube.
_kulang 2 days ago [-]
Perhaps you are unaware, but the great wave is a wood block print. That’s not to say that the strokes aren’t amazing, but they didn’t need to be created in one pass
eru 2 days ago [-]
And as far as I am aware, there are many prints. This was sold as an early mass market item. It was very popular.
I'm not sure if he had multiple print runs from fresh carvings, or whether he only carved it once?
Not unknown. It is signed "G. Clement", for Gerald Clement. The title is "Lesson 3d" because it actually is the third lesson in a tutorial for MacGrid, a software developed by Clement that teached people how to draw in MacPaint.
This is what keeps me coming back to HN. Someone spent years recreating woodcut prints pixel by pixel on a quadra 700 using aldus superpaint at 512x342. I feel like the constraint is what caused it to be. The 1-bit forces you to solve every gradient and texture with pure composition, which means you can't cheat with color or resolution. I forgot who said it, but constraints breed creativity.
afc 2 days ago [-]
You're probably thinking of Walter Gropius, the founder of the Bauhaus school.
TacticalCoder 2 days ago [-]
By default for me site's font renders using severe sub-pixel anti-aliasing so it looks all colorful instead of good old Mac black and white. And it's very noticeable.
Dig the wave though, upvoted.
EDIT: and I think there's actually an issue... Somehow there are kinda vertical "bands" where the sub-pixel anti-aliasing shifts. Like I've got a few characters looking too green (on the entire vertical), then a band of pixels looking too red. Very strange. Firefox / Linux but others sites don't do that. First time I see those "bands" with a font using sub-pixel AA.
2nd EDIT: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35866283 In that thread from 2023 on the same site, people are noticing the same weird rainbow/banding fx so it's not just my setup ; )
Brybry 2 days ago [-]
Thanks for this. I was really confused while looking at the CSS and not seeing anything that could cause the rainbow effect I was looking at.
pezezin 2 days ago [-]
I also noticed the weird rainbow pattern, I am relieved to know my monitor is not broken.
etothet 2 days ago [-]
I love this. In a world that is increasingly driven by AI, to me this highlights how important and mandatory human creation is in art.
srean 2 days ago [-]
I have been moaning about this n the comments below about not being able to find Hokusai's study on tesselations and patterns. Finally found it.
It's insane, how far our industry has come in less than a single human lifetime. I wish I could see what will become of it in a few centuries.
walrus01 2 days ago [-]
It's also kind of insane how rapid the capabilities and tech grew in just a short 10-year span in an earlier period. The B&W mid 80s Mac art style of this reminded me of approximately the same era...
For example right now if you had a $3000 desktop PC (sans cost of monitor) that was built in 2016 it would probably still be a fairly capable Linux workstation.
If you went from 1986 --> 1996 the tech jump in equivalent cost would be something like a 12 MHz 286 with EGA video card, a few MB of RAM, a MS-DOS CLI environment to in 1996 being a Pentium 66 MHz+ or AMD equivalent with significantly more RAM, a SVGA video card, tons more I/O, PCI slots, running Windows 95 or an early Linux distro, and just a whole world more capability. The 286 would be quite obsolete and barely useful for anything.
TacticalCoder 2 days ago [-]
> ... or example right now if you had a $3000 desktop PC (sans cost of monitor) that was built in 2016 it would probably still be a fairly capable Linux workstation.
Oh totally. I've got an actual workstation, with ECC mem, from 2015 and a Xeon with 14 cores / 28 threads (tbh I think that CPU alone was worth more than $2 K back then) and it's still plenty quick. I use that old workstation a server though and my "workstation" is a much more modern AMD 7700X (not the latest or quickest CPU by any mean but it's already quite beasty).
usermac 3 days ago [-]
Having seen this image since inception, I never noticed Mt. Fuji in the background.
IncreasePosts 3 days ago [-]
Its gotta be in there - that print (and 35 others believe it or not) are from hokusai's collection: Thirty-six Views of Mount Fuji
bombcar 2 days ago [-]
Up until today I thought it was a tsunami painting
dvh 3 days ago [-]
I didn't notice the boats
vharuck 2 days ago [-]
A lot of Ukiyo-e wood prints have small details that mean a lot to locals. I enjoy learning about them on the NHK's English channel.
In this case, the boats are fast (each has a bunch of crewmen) and were used to catch valuable fish. And the boats on the right have two people not at work (barely discernable in TFA's recreation). Those people were on break, getting ready to replace tired oarsmen. That way, the boat could be moving at all times.
convenwis 2 days ago [-]
I know this guy is doing this on actual Mac hardware but curious if there is a point of view on the best older Mac emulator out there? Ideally I'd like to run this on a current Apple Silicon Mac. It is hard to understand what is the best approach (which I realize might be because this is somewhere between legally grey and not legal). I don't want a browser based option.
spicyjpeg 2 days ago [-]
I would recommend trying out Snow (https://snowemu.com/), a somewhat recently released 68000 Macintosh emulator that is cross-platform and focuses on low-level accuracy, unlike prior efforts which traditionally preferred HLE approaches and suffered from compatibility issues as a result.
As with any other emulator, you will have to obtain system ROM dumps and disk images of the software you want to run. There is no clear precedent on the legality of acquiring said files through any means, however it's generally believed that you should be in the clear if you dump them yourself from a Mac you own and an original physical copy of the software. Of course, doing so is non-trivial and requires at the very least a working Mac and a way to get files in and out of it (e.g. a SCSI drive emulator that uses an SD card for storage), so it's understandable why virtually everyone resorts to the gray area approach of downloading ROMs instead.
duskwuff 2 days ago [-]
Snow is great for what it is, but it's limited (for now) to a small set of early Macintosh systems, up through part of the Macintosh II series. Basilisk II and SheepShaver are still the best option available for later Macintosh systems.
quag 2 days ago [-]
I’ve spent many hours using Basilisk II.
jervant 2 days ago [-]
Snow
YJfcboaDaJRDw 2 days ago [-]
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the_af 3 days ago [-]
I love pixel art and specifically monochrome pixel art like this.
It's a pity this blog was so short lived, I can only see 7 entries and only 2 Hokusai prints. Oh well, my own blogs usually don't fare much better.
msephton 2 days ago [-]
Impressions of The Great Wave Off Kanagawa 神奈川沖浪裏 are currently on view at a record 7 places around the world. https://greatwavetoday.com
Each one of the remaining originals is subtly different due to the woodblock printing process, and must be stored for the majority of the time due to being susceptible to fading in light.
srean 3 days ago [-]
I am having a surprisingly hard time finding Hokusai's exercises on tesselations.
Has search become really this bad !
Anyway wanted to show his sketch of a bird behind chicken wire fence/cage. Similar birds here
Thanks for the links. There are one or two in common with what I had in mind. I suppose those weren't his 'published' works but personal studies in geometry and tiling.
2 days ago [-]
neomantra 2 days ago [-]
Just yesterday I was looking for a free-as-in-freedom image to embed in my repo, and this gem popped up again!
I'm adding a BubbleTea Picture widget to ntcharts. So the example is a (retro art of (retro art redone on retro tech)) done on (a redo of retro tech) ...
I've added it, but it's still on a feature branch :
Curious about the "no derivatives" license. Surely anything derivative would be of the original now public domain art and not this. I do not see how this could as a practical matter be enforced. IANAL though.
teraflop 3 days ago [-]
Public domain isn't "viral" like copyleft.
If I take something in the public domain and make a derivative work, the original remains in the public domain, and I retain ownership of whatever additions or modifications I created. So I can attach whatever conditions I want to the copying of those additions.
For instance, Disney's "Sleeping Beauty" was protected by copyright when it was released, even though it was based on a centuries-old fairy tale that was in the public domain.
jszymborski 3 days ago [-]
Well not if I take this 1 bit image and add my logo or remove his...
glidefarrow 2 days ago [-]
I love this. Once I finish the 165x200 cross stitch I'm currently working on, I'd love to translate this to cross stitch.
itsthecourier 3 days ago [-]
somebody explained me that the correct way to appreciate this painting is to invert it on horizontal axis.
the reason is, japanese is read from right to left.
Love the birds in this one, especially the way it mirrors the wave crest fingers. Hokusai seems to have lunch ved these birds. They figure in his caged Bird pieces.
lioeters 3 days ago [-]
That "Big Wave" variation with birds flying over the waves is strikingly beautiful. So dynamic and raw compared to the famous one. And how poetic the shapes of birds rhyme with the shape of waves. I'm gonna have to set aside some time to appreciate Hokusai's works again. Lovely.
srean 2 days ago [-]
The wave is almost like a live character in this one. Like an angry god caught in a moment of fury.
I don't know whether Escher was familiar with Hokusai's work but they shared a common interest in tilings and tesselations. Damned if I can find those Hokusai sketches on the web now.
Wow that is kind of mind-blowing. Looking through other pages, Hokusai is showing each "rule" (法) and its application (tessalation) that produces the pattern. It makes me wonder about what kind of cultural exchange was happening between Japan and Europe at the time.
srean 2 days ago [-]
Escher would be generations younger. However, I am curious about whether Hokusai encountered any Islamic art. Tesselations and symmetry play a big role in that one. I submitted ed this link as a separate HN post.
Doesn't this assume that people (in the west, at least) "perceive" paintings from left to right? That doesn't strike me as particularly true.
rafabulsing 2 days ago [-]
I thought I'd be unimpressed by the mirrored version, but I can say that for myself, it really did have a different feel to it.
I've always pictured the boats moving right, sliding down, as if surfing the wave.
The mirrored version makes it clear that, no, they're going against the wave, which makes it that much more of a scary situation!
Now, having noticed that, I see how the position of the rowers in the boat would be enough to deduce that. But still, it goes to show that (at least for me, personally, in this specific case) the mirroring really did bring a more intuitive feel for what the artist was trying to represent.
lioeters 3 days ago [-]
This is taught in graphic design, how people typically scan information from left to right and top to bottom, in cultures where the written language flows in that direction. However, a counter argument could be made that people perceive paintings differently from the way they read written text. There have been studies about how the Japanese perceive images and sounds with the same area of the brain that processes language, in contrast to other cultures where they're processed separately. [citaion needed]
ggsp 3 days ago [-]
Look up “spatial agency bias” and “glance curve”
recj 3 days ago [-]
Doesn't strike me as particularly true either.
wonnage 2 days ago [-]
This is like saying westerners need to read mirrored manga to truly appreciate the artist’s intent. You can just start reading from the right…
rafabulsing 2 days ago [-]
I do think that there's some loss in translated manga, actually!
When the mangaka is creating the layout, they're conceptualizing the flow not only of the panels, but also of the text inside panels, to be RTL.
Translating the text into a LTR language without mirroring the image, makes it so that your eyes have to zig zag around a bit more, going RTL panel wise, but LTR text box wise.
Compared to the problems that mirroring the art brings, I still think that's best compromise of the options, but doesn't mean it's not an actual impact on the experience, even if a subtle one.
I have wondered before, though, about how had might it be to learn to read mirrored, RLT english. Might be a bit of a challenge at first, but would enable you to read translated manga RTL with no compromises (other than the inherent lossiness of language translation in general).
wonnage 2 days ago [-]
I think there’s already enough lost in translation that the text direction is the least of your worries haha
rafabulsing 2 days ago [-]
For sure it's a very minor impact, all things considered, but an impact nonetheless.
hnfong 3 days ago [-]
... specifically, Japanese is traditionally written top to bottom, then right to left. (In contrast, English is written left to right, then top to bottom.)
So, armed with that knowledge, are you going to rotate it as well?
filoleg 3 days ago [-]
If you are talking about page order or panel order (in something like manga), those go right to left. More specifically, manga panels follow the usual western comic book panel order, except with left and right flipped.
However, when it comes to the actual text (regardless of the medium), it is always written either top to bottom or left to right. There is no right to left text writing in japanese. This isn't arabic, where text is indeed written right to left.
mitthrowaway2 3 days ago [-]
When written top to bottom, the columns are read from right to left. This is the most common format for printed text, especially in Hokusai's time.
Also, when text was horizontal, it was frequently written right to left until the mid-1940s.[1]
Again, even in the scenario you are describing, it is right-to-left when it comes to organizing columns/page layout (just like it would be with manga), but the text is still not right-to-left. It is top-to-bottom text vertical columns going left-to-right horizontally.
There is not a single instance I can think of where the actual text in Japanese would be read/written horizontally right-to-left.
hnfong 10 hours ago [-]
My original comment only mentioned traditional Japanese text layout. Let's just look at the text in the Great Wave:
Arguments about modern Japanese text layout is beyond the scope of my original comment, and I don't think it's meaningful to discuss it anyway. Those who know and use Japanese know, and those who don't, don't need to know.
itsthecourier 2 days ago [-]
it must be done, bro, for you, anything
recj 3 days ago [-]
Japanese characters are actually written left to right, but sometimes the page order is right to left. Writing that you might find on a website, e-mails, and scientific writing is typically actually written left to right. While these kinds of texts may have pages that are ordered from right to left, the text on the pages is typically written from left to right. It is typically only when text is written vertically (yokogaki) that it is written in columns going from right to left, and in that case, the characters are read top to bottom.
When written horizontally it is now left to right but earlier you would see horizontal right to left. But vertical was preferred especially in the past.
You can see horizontal train stop signs written right to left in “In This Corner of the World” anime. Today all signage seems to be left to right.
Horizontal right to left is an edge case of vertical writing with one character tall columns.
kdheiwns 3 days ago [-]
In the time this art was made, top to bottom, right to left was the standard. It's pretty apparent when looking at any document from the Edo era. It's all top to bottom, right to left. Remnants of it are also clear in temples where the signs above doorways are written right to left, not even top to bottom. Plus every Japanese novel and manga today is still written top to bottom right to left.
hnfong 3 days ago [-]
You are right, but it can be argued that during the time the painting was made, vertical writing was the predominant form, and I don't know whether horizontal writing was a thing at the time in Japan...
That said, as I implied in my other reply, the whole idea is a bit silly...
akihitot 3 days ago [-]
Japanese is currently read and written from left to right. However, until about 80 years ago (before World War II), it was read and written from right to left—though this applied only to horizontal writing. Vertical writing is read from right to left, and this convention continues today; for example, Japanese comics (manga) are still read from right to left.
greg_dc 2 days ago [-]
Man, this is the sort of stuff that makes me glad for Hacker News. Someone doing a hyper niche, high effort artistic project for no reward other than it's something they want to do. In a time where I have to second guess absolutely everything in case it's just AI slop there's something so wonderfully human about this sort of endeavour.
I would never have known it existed and, in some tiny way, my life is better now that I do.
poly2it 2 days ago [-]
> This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License.
It would truly be a shame if somebody appropriated this unicum of a piece.
francoi8 2 days ago [-]
For those wanting to explore automatically converting art pieces to 1-bit you can use 8Bit Photo Lab on iOS or Android. Select the black and white palette and choose resolution and dithering type.
I never heard of 1bit art until quite recently and I'm loving it
joe_mamba 3 days ago [-]
FYI, Hokusai also drew Hentai.
tecleandor 3 days ago [-]
Sorry for the "actually", but Hentai didn't exist yet as a genre. It was "shunga", that is, erotic "ukiyo-e", a popular style at that time.
Popular shunga works by Hokusai are "Two lovers" or the wrongly translated "The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife" (the original Japanese title is "female diver and octopus")
joe_mamba 2 days ago [-]
Please NO need to apologize, I don't mind being corrected by men of culture when I'm wrong.
sph 3 days ago [-]
So? Go play the morality police elsewhere.
joe_mamba 2 days ago [-]
Excuse me but can you read? Where did you see me bringing up anything critical of morality in my statement about the author's work? Go play reddit moderator somewhere else please.
sph 2 days ago [-]
What does your "for your information" bring to the table, other than sidetracking the discussion? What are we supposed to do with it?
joe_mamba 2 days ago [-]
>What does your "for your information" bring to the table, other than sidetracking the discussion?
Adding extra curiosity context, that other readers might not be aware of, is not "sidetracking the discussion", but simply contributing to the conversation while respecting the HN rules of "be curious".
Now tell me what does your unwarranted criticism and personal insults bring to this discussion other than being an obnoxious PITA and breaking HN rules?
Did your parents teach you, that you can criticize someone without insults?
>What are we supposed to do with it?
Same thing you do with any other curiosity info you read on HN.
keepamovin 3 days ago [-]
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redsocksfan45 3 days ago [-]
Very nice work. I've always loved the aesthetic of hand crafted monochrome pixel art.
The art is also very good. Its hard to get that level of "colour" with limited resolution
This was before anyone could reasonably afford a 20" full color monitor, and it also would have been too expensive or I/O intensive on the video expansion card to be capable of driving a 1280x1024+ monitor at 256 colors or better. I think also something related to being a crisper image with early 1990s tech level of CRT monitor re: dot pitch if the image was entirely black and white?
For instance:
https://www.reddit.com/r/retrocomputing/comments/1oim0m6/hol...
https://www.reddit.com/r/retrobattlestations/comments/707q70...
(As my layman understanding goes that is)
Monochrome CRTs are delicious to look at. A feast for the eyes. I love them. Compact Macs are often the cheapest way to get them, especially for their wonderful paper white phosphor, though I'm a sucker for amber phosphor.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a-thg-primer,393-3.html
Hokusai has long been my favourite artist but I still keep finding more nuances in his work. He lived an 88-year long life dedicated to art. What an unbelievable genius master of a bygone era.
One of the most joyful things I’ve seen on YouTube.
I'm not sure if he had multiple print runs from fresh carvings, or whether he only carved it once?
> MacPaint Art From The Mid-80s Still Looks Great Today - https://blog.decryption.net.au/posts/macpaint.html
Previously discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44540402
This masterpiece by an unknown artist might be the best work of hi-res pixel art I have ever seen: https://blog.decryption.net.au/images/macpaint/lesson3d.png
Not unknown. It is signed "G. Clement", for Gerald Clement. The title is "Lesson 3d" because it actually is the third lesson in a tutorial for MacGrid, a software developed by Clement that teached people how to draw in MacPaint.
https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/macgrid
Here is the next picture, "Lesson 3 E. Morning Light":
https://ibb.co/8DkdrG9q
https://bsky.app/profile/1bitdreams.bsky.social
https://x.com/1BitDreams
I see maybe 10 or 15 new pieces of 1-bit art posted on those platforms each week. A couple recent ones:
https://bsky.app/profile/ncesium.bsky.social/post/3miwkrqev5...
https://bsky.app/profile/oddbones.bsky.social/post/3mi7pedpn...
Dig the wave though, upvoted.
EDIT: and I think there's actually an issue... Somehow there are kinda vertical "bands" where the sub-pixel anti-aliasing shifts. Like I've got a few characters looking too green (on the entire vertical), then a band of pixels looking too red. Very strange. Firefox / Linux but others sites don't do that. First time I see those "bands" with a font using sub-pixel AA.
2nd EDIT: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35866283 In that thread from 2023 on the same site, people are noticing the same weird rainbow/banding fx so it's not just my setup ; )
https://dl.ndl.go.jp/pid/1899550/1/11/
Have submitted as a post
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47902993
For example right now if you had a $3000 desktop PC (sans cost of monitor) that was built in 2016 it would probably still be a fairly capable Linux workstation.
If you went from 1986 --> 1996 the tech jump in equivalent cost would be something like a 12 MHz 286 with EGA video card, a few MB of RAM, a MS-DOS CLI environment to in 1996 being a Pentium 66 MHz+ or AMD equivalent with significantly more RAM, a SVGA video card, tons more I/O, PCI slots, running Windows 95 or an early Linux distro, and just a whole world more capability. The 286 would be quite obsolete and barely useful for anything.
Oh totally. I've got an actual workstation, with ECC mem, from 2015 and a Xeon with 14 cores / 28 threads (tbh I think that CPU alone was worth more than $2 K back then) and it's still plenty quick. I use that old workstation a server though and my "workstation" is a much more modern AMD 7700X (not the latest or quickest CPU by any mean but it's already quite beasty).
In this case, the boats are fast (each has a bunch of crewmen) and were used to catch valuable fish. And the boats on the right have two people not at work (barely discernable in TFA's recreation). Those people were on break, getting ready to replace tired oarsmen. That way, the boat could be moving at all times.
As with any other emulator, you will have to obtain system ROM dumps and disk images of the software you want to run. There is no clear precedent on the legality of acquiring said files through any means, however it's generally believed that you should be in the clear if you dump them yourself from a Mac you own and an original physical copy of the software. Of course, doing so is non-trivial and requires at the very least a working Mac and a way to get files in and out of it (e.g. a SCSI drive emulator that uses an SD card for storage), so it's understandable why virtually everyone resorts to the gray area approach of downloading ROMs instead.
It's a pity this blog was so short lived, I can only see 7 entries and only 2 Hokusai prints. Oh well, my own blogs usually don't fare much better.
Each one of the remaining originals is subtly different due to the woodblock printing process, and must be stored for the majority of the time due to being susceptible to fading in light.
Has search become really this bad !
Anyway wanted to show his sketch of a bird behind chicken wire fence/cage. Similar birds here
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47901702
https://www.rawpixel.com/image/7660768/image-art-vintage-pub...
The art work that I had in my had a swallow or a sparrow swooping down, looked at through chicken wire grid.
https://archive.org/details/hokusaiimayoyhi00kats/page/5/mod...
https://archive.org/details/imayoykushikisev1kats/page/19/mo...
Are you sure you're remembering right?
Here's archive's list of Hokusai books:
https://archive.org/search?query=creator%3A%22Katsushika%2C+...
I'm adding a BubbleTea Picture widget to ntcharts. So the example is a (retro art of (retro art redone on retro tech)) done on (a redo of retro tech) ...
I've added it, but it's still on a feature branch :
https://github.com/NimbleMarkets/ntcharts/tree/picture/examp...
If I take something in the public domain and make a derivative work, the original remains in the public domain, and I retain ownership of whatever additions or modifications I created. So I can attach whatever conditions I want to the copying of those additions.
For instance, Disney's "Sleeping Beauty" was protected by copyright when it was released, even though it was based on a centuries-old fairy tale that was in the public domain.
the reason is, japanese is read from right to left.
once you invert it you can appreciate it better
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Great_Wave_off_Kanagawa_-...
His "Big Wave" has that right left position
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Th...
Love the birds in this one, especially the way it mirrors the wave crest fingers. Hokusai seems to have lunch ved these birds. They figure in his caged Bird pieces.
Check this out
https://dl.ndl.go.jp/pid/1899550/1/11/
I don't know whether Escher was familiar with Hokusai's work but they shared a common interest in tilings and tesselations. Damned if I can find those Hokusai sketches on the web now.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47902993
- Art Institute of Chicago (https://www.artic.edu/articles/1139/10-things-to-know-about-...)
- Daily Art Magazine (https://www.dailyartmagazine.com/great-wave-hokusai/#:~:text...)
- Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Wave_off_Kanagawa#Re...)
I've always pictured the boats moving right, sliding down, as if surfing the wave.
The mirrored version makes it clear that, no, they're going against the wave, which makes it that much more of a scary situation!
Now, having noticed that, I see how the position of the rowers in the boat would be enough to deduce that. But still, it goes to show that (at least for me, personally, in this specific case) the mirroring really did bring a more intuitive feel for what the artist was trying to represent.
When the mangaka is creating the layout, they're conceptualizing the flow not only of the panels, but also of the text inside panels, to be RTL.
Translating the text into a LTR language without mirroring the image, makes it so that your eyes have to zig zag around a bit more, going RTL panel wise, but LTR text box wise.
Compared to the problems that mirroring the art brings, I still think that's best compromise of the options, but doesn't mean it's not an actual impact on the experience, even if a subtle one.
I have wondered before, though, about how had might it be to learn to read mirrored, RLT english. Might be a bit of a challenge at first, but would enable you to read translated manga RTL with no compromises (other than the inherent lossiness of language translation in general).
So, armed with that knowledge, are you going to rotate it as well?
However, when it comes to the actual text (regardless of the medium), it is always written either top to bottom or left to right. There is no right to left text writing in japanese. This isn't arabic, where text is indeed written right to left.
Also, when text was horizontal, it was frequently written right to left until the mid-1940s.[1]
[1] https://www.mutantfrog.com/2009/08/08/the-history-of-japanes...
There is not a single instance I can think of where the actual text in Japanese would be read/written horizontally right-to-left.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%82%A4%E3...
Per https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%A5%9E%E5%A5%88%E5%B7%9D%E6... , it is read 「冨嶽三十六景 / 神奈川沖 / 浪裏 」 which is top to bottom, then right to left, i.e. "神奈川沖" before "浪裏".
Arguments about modern Japanese text layout is beyond the scope of my original comment, and I don't think it's meaningful to discuss it anyway. Those who know and use Japanese know, and those who don't, don't need to know.
Sources: [1] https://www.lingocommand.com/japanese/writing-systems-explai... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_and_vertical_writin... [3] I studied Japanese in college lol
You can see horizontal train stop signs written right to left in “In This Corner of the World” anime. Today all signage seems to be left to right.
[edit] The history section in Wikipedia explains that this was a postwar script reform. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_writing_system
That said, as I implied in my other reply, the whole idea is a bit silly...
I would never have known it existed and, in some tiny way, my life is better now that I do.
It would truly be a shame if somebody appropriated this unicum of a piece.
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Popular shunga works by Hokusai are "Two lovers" or the wrongly translated "The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife" (the original Japanese title is "female diver and octopus")
Adding extra curiosity context, that other readers might not be aware of, is not "sidetracking the discussion", but simply contributing to the conversation while respecting the HN rules of "be curious".
Now tell me what does your unwarranted criticism and personal insults bring to this discussion other than being an obnoxious PITA and breaking HN rules?
Did your parents teach you, that you can criticize someone without insults?
>What are we supposed to do with it?
Same thing you do with any other curiosity info you read on HN.